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Post by Blue Flames on Mar 25, 2022 6:13:25 GMT -5
Can we please formalise and improve here as a league for next season.
Happy to put forward ideas, but by the rule rook as it stands, you can check in once each 13 days and be fine. I would argue this needs to change and rather than table ideas, hear feedback from the group first.
At the moment we say:
2.2 You are required to remain active and competitive. Active is defined as keeping your roster active on a daily basis, regularly checking and participating in discussions on the FSC forum site, and responding in a timely manner to emails concerning trades, rules changes and any other aspect of the network that requires your input. If you cannot manage this, do not join the league.
But then follow up with:
2.2.1 Managers who fail to set their lineup for 2 consecutive weeks, without noting
their absence to the commissioner or FSC board, will be subject to the
following penalties:
A manager at the moment can set their lineup once every 13 days and not fail 2.2.1, which contradicts 2.2 stating a manager must keep your roster active on a daily basis. And goes against the sales pitch of the league being 'intense and challenging leagues which require daily activity' and 'There is no such thing as an offseason in these leagues'.
real life happens 100%, and the odd one whatever, but there is an issue here.
Would appreciate hearing the thoughts of other managers.
As I said, I would happily put forward ideas, review the constitution, make proposed changes. The time is there on my end to help if needed.
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Post by CFL Rejects on Mar 25, 2022 6:19:17 GMT -5
I agree, and I would challenge to go further and add that if people just auto set the lineups and keep players on IR in the lineup are they really active or competitive?? Saw several teams that had players on IR continually in the lineup with no attempt to fix the issue even though they had tons of cap left.
Let's face if this level of activity continues it will kill the league
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Post by Team Canada on Mar 25, 2022 7:16:42 GMT -5
Agreed, we signed up and agreed to these rules/expectations and the hockey contract has dropped below standards imo.
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Post by Dwayne Bowe on Mar 25, 2022 9:32:35 GMT -5
I agree.
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Post by Stark Direwolves on Mar 25, 2022 9:37:17 GMT -5
Fully agree and support changes that would help eradicate inactivity. GMs need to be honest with themselves. Is this really the league for them? I feel that some GMs return year after year because they feel obligated, or pushed into a corner, or they don't want to disappoint or inconvenience the other GMs/commissioner/board. Please don't do that - only participate if you truly have the desire to, for yourself and nobody else.
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Post by Ellsworth Hearts on Mar 25, 2022 10:05:19 GMT -5
I don't think we need to have rules in place to depict how each manager is responsible for governing their team (expectation is constantly trying to win). Do we want more interaction with league members. sure. Do we want to force managers to respond to ridiculous trade offers. I don't think so. I don't find value in flipping one crappy player for another crappy player in hopes that I can catch a turd on fire for one week. Yes, you will never get the diamond in the rough with out some luck...at the same time, tossing players to the vultures runs the risk of rotting flesh turning to gold on the scrap heap. I personally have not had much luck with drafting players. Did I draft a few that worked out...sure did. I'm tighter with FA spending then some. My runs at a cup have hurt more then I could have ever imagined. Trading Saros and Jerry for great rental players (end result no cup) haven't worked out. This year in particular has been tough watching. I have not spent my free time combing over the rosters of other managers to see how they are managing their situations. Nor have I spent time looking at my line up to ensure last minute real world scratches/IR moves were dealt with. I haven't even had the free time to sit down and watch my local Bruins kill it. Life tends to get in the way. In the end - we all want to do well. It comes down to a fine balance of Drafting, Trading and FA moves to get the best out of each player day in and day out. My piss poor Hearts are taking it to TC this week. What's the difference? maybe an inch or two on a hand full of shots...goalies not in position...extra real world passes. Way too many variables in play. Certainly not hitting or blocking. LOL. give me both of my top D-men that have been out all year...and there is a big difference in the way my team shapes up on the stat board. I can say - I wasn't tracking the severity of their injuries. Weber likely not coming back, ever. But how true is it? Adjustments will be made and some other poor soul will be in the basement.
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Post by Ellsworth Hearts on Mar 25, 2022 10:20:18 GMT -5
Never ever should we allow our players to be in active roster positions while in N/A or IR status. How do we govern this? Once the commish has been made aware of the issue. a Message sent to the manager at fault (discord or other instant message system) giving ample time to resolve the issue. We don't want to hand cuff real world issues with perceived lack of involvement. Yes we need to be pro-active as managers. Informing the league of issues that we are dealing with. It takes two seconds to send a shout out via discord.
Something that would help me be more active with FA during the year is to have the current league position (FA signing status) posted and updated when it hits that point. I lost ROY (D) to IR and would like to get another D man going but i believe FA is froozen so I'm kinda stuck with 3 Defensemen on IR and an open D spot on my active roster.
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Post by Team Canada on Mar 25, 2022 11:35:51 GMT -5
Help me understand how you propose a manager send an offer he or she knows the other gm will at least respond to? Do you know how others value players? I personally think it sparks friendly conversation at least or a counter offer, not silent treatment lol we are all adults here I believe. Its respectful is it not?
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Post by Moorestown Big Dogs on Mar 25, 2022 12:05:00 GMT -5
Before I share some of my thoughts, let me be clear about a couple of things. What I share here I do as one of 16 GMs, not as the Commissioner. So it is merely my opinion, as valid as anyone's but no more so than anyone's. And second, any proposals that we vote on will need to be approved by us, but also by the Board of FSC. I will try to take our proposals to them for clearance before we vote so that we do not spin our wheels and get nowhere. Along those lines, please feel free to make concrete proposals, detailing exactly what you think the rules should be and exactly how we will proceed in case of violation.
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Post by Moorestown Big Dogs on Mar 25, 2022 12:10:39 GMT -5
As far as trade offers go, it is simply common courtesy to respond to all offers, no matter how ridiculous you may find them. I usually go with a simple "No, thanks." for the really bad ones. It takes just a few seconds and allows the other GM to know that it was seen.
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Post by Moorestown Big Dogs on Mar 25, 2022 12:31:21 GMT -5
As for the "You are required to remain active and competitive. Active is defined as keeping your roster active on a daily basis, regularly checking and participating in discussions on the FSC forum site, and responding in a timely manner to emails concerning trades, rules changes and any other aspect of the network that requires your input." discussion, I think that there are a variety of things to be considered.
While this is fantasy sports, I try to keep in mind that we are trying to mimic real sports whenever possible. And real teams do some of the exact things we are taking issue with here. They shut down good players returning from injury (both to avoid additional injury but also because the season is lost so why not get a good pick) or send out less than their best lineup "seeing what we have with the young guys" in order to improve their draft position. Do I like it - No, but I get it.
I feel that some of the concern with owners "tanking" or failing to be their most competitive in setting lineups and making acquisitions to strengthen their team comes when we see that their doing so is getting their bad team a better draft pick than our bad team. Or that they are letting another GM win a lopsided game that might keep us out of the playoffs. I am looking forward to seeing some of your proposals to see if there is a reasonable way to improve this situation without getting too complicated.
I dealt with the IR players being left there when they have returned to active already on the Discord chat.
Personally, I set my lineups with the auto feature every week just in case I forget or something comes up to take me away, but then go in each morning to set what I think will be the best lineup. But I don't think I want to insist on that second part. If every GM at least had all slots filled that they have active players for, while maybe not the ideal, to me is good enough. But I am open to hearing other views, with ways to improve upon it.
I agree whole-heartedly that "A manager at the moment can set their lineup once every 13 days and not fail 2.2.1, which contradicts 2.2 stating a manager must keep your roster active on a daily basis." is a problem and we can clean that up. I will be reading through all of our rules once our season ends and we are past the Baseball drafts to see what modifications can or should be made.
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